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Posted 2 Years, 3 Months ago #1
There were eatlier attempts by others to create a survey of the most important M.A. books. A lot of the recommended books were about the history and philosophy of a certain martial art and therefore are not books which can give you a practical guideline in your training. From what I've seen in locall bookstores it seems that the authors of many jeet kune doo books offer the most interesting material addaptable to your training no matter what your art or style is (BTW who has read ' the Art of expressing the human body'by John Little and Bruce Lee and what is your opinion?) What would you recommend in for a silat/praying mantis/muay thai/JKD background student to read for more practical advise?(besides the sometimes terrific discussions on RMA of course)

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Posted 2 Years, 3 Months ago #2
Nobody has any suggestions. Or just not interested. I know my question doesn't contain any info.

sjaakie

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Posted 2 Years, 3 Months ago #3
MA books are crap.But the best I've seen were Judo books.
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Posted 2 Years, 3 Months ago #4
Surely you've seen The Fighters Notebook? It is excellent.
www.submissionfighting.com

(and yes i will stop calling you shirley)
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Posted 2 Years, 3 Months ago #5
Marc 'Animal' MacYoung has a book out called 'Taking it to the Streets: Making your Martial Art Street Effective' (or something like that). I thought that it was pretty cool..
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Posted 2 Years, 3 Months ago #6
Yes, I've heard of Animal before and it seems that he has made quite an impression on Mansur's silat discussion group

I would lie to know if someone else has experience reading his books.

sjaakie

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Posted 2 Years, 3 Months ago #7
I know Marc 'Animal' MacYoung personally. He a wily and cunning player and definitely NOT one to be underestimated. His focus is self-defense and he offers many practical insights (learned from personal experience) into the brutal (and often ignorantly glamorized) world of street fighting. He is also one of the most generous people I know and I count myself doubly fortunate to call him 'friend.'

Bob Orlando
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Posted 2 Years, 3 Months ago #8
Hi,

It's good to see some of the Kuntao Silat guys poking their heads up again. There were a couple of questions that never got answered and I was hoping you might be able to shed some light.

1. How come we've been hearing for years that Willem de Thouars knows and was teaching an Indonesian version of taiji called tai kek, but now he's learning taiji from Don Miller?

2. How come if he's already got this enormous skill and knowledge of the internal martial arts, he didn't realize that Miller's taiji is an embarrasment? I don't think _anyone_ other than your own group thought that what Miller showed on the Atlanta tape was taiji. In fact, I think the word 'seizure' was repeatedly used.

I'm looking forward to getting this cleared up.

Martha 'enquiring minds' Gallagher
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DA-MAAAAN37
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Posted 2 Years, 3 Months ago #9
I think that is a question on many minds all over the world- where were Willem's students; why did they do that to him; why didn't they defend their actions once taken; who's minding the store; what's all this then? Besides, Bob is mostly about borlandokuntow and his business associates- he doesn't worry about the traditional stuff- read his book <g>

You didn't frame the question well and you didn't understand the answer given. Sigman makes a substantive difference between *anything* and that thing as expressed in the jing concept of the Chen Family. Cool- and he does it very well and is convincing in his scholarship. Lots of well respected tai chi teachers have fallen to his scythe. Lots of people have told Bill that Miller does taiji and is subjected to the envious sniping of his inferiors <g>. Bill's open to anything- and especially when it comes wrapped in geets. Miller, a man known all over the world for his championships, needed the credibility and advanced training offered by a man like Willem de Thouars. He popped for the expenses; on the road again.

Well it wasn't really an embarrassment until Miller wouldn't take a poke at his own party. He'd been selling wolf tickets about how he was gonna do Sigman till it was a rumor prior to the event. Bill likes fights- he wouldn't have given it 57 years of his life if he didn't like to fight. He went to a fight that night- it had been schemed on and planned by Miller for a while I would think. When it didn't happen, I don't believe he was very happy. What happens on the floor is what counts with Bill. The courage to step forward means a lot to him. The traditional thing is; 'Shiapa Brani?' (who has the guts to fight!)- 'Kitai Brani! (*I* have the guts to fight!) As far as associating himself with a guy that can pick up the tab? duh. Miller brings a video facility, distribution, adherents, a circuit.... all he needed was someone credible to say; 'heeeeere's Miller!'- Willem needed a guy to make the hotel arrangements-

All of that was really funny- Miller's been kind of an object of derision privately until Willem hooked up with him for the video promotion and seminar access. Willem was being polite and loyal to his associate. no, Roger Brockman not stepping forward- that was the important one. *He* is the one that instigated to make trouble, alongside Miller, and run it through his wife's lawfirm for their own conveniences. See, I am a witness against two of the lawfirms' clients- to the tune of a bunch of damage money if things go for Plaintiff. Roger has been privy to Steve's intimacy of personal life and so on, and, very possibly, has been feeding his wife Kathleen Brockman information to take to them. The opportunity to rev Bill up into such weird accusations was a fat hog to a lawfirm that would like my credibility in question. Roger has been goofing with Miller to advance his own agenda; hence the coupling of the deposition about Gartin and me that accompanied the video- explained by letters from Brockman and Miller. Other than Brockman's agenda with Miller, there was no need to couple my name with the Atlanta incident. I felt bad for Mike; number one, five guys bust in and make a scene- without giving him an opportunity to add a little pain to their obvious humiliation, then they tie him to me and Gartin, and then call *us* names that nobody wants to be associated with at any distance. It's an ugly little nest of snakes surrounding Willem at this point.

Nah- this is lots better. See, Willem's skills are amazing- he feels a lot like Mike (and me and Miller are the only ones having been hit by both of them <g>- his application is not as tightly engineered as Mike's is- it is a question of 'crispness'. Of course, Mike's primary focus has been the isolation of the mechanics of the method and Willem's has been whacking people with it. Mike's fighting ability didn't start with taiji, he was a well finished fighter long before then. His training and interest has been more to the physics/mechanics of the skill with an analytical investigation. In addition, Willem does a bunch more applications of internal energy (in the tight definition of the term) that are quite amazing on their own. He has been told that is *not* 'taiji'- ok, cool- if Miller *does* taiji, Willem will learn from him- that's a matter of openness to new martial information. It in no way mitigates his skills that he didn't understand the question and his answer was not well translated by Brockman. Anyway, don't ask Bob hard questions- ask him about Bob.
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Posted 2 Years, 3 Months ago #10
In article

Sorry to disappoint, but I can shed no light on the subject. Wasn't there, haven't seen the tape, not involved, no comment. As far as defending Willem: Not my job. However, my opinion of his skills is well documented and appears in print and on my web site (http://www.orlandokuntao.com/willem_de_thouars.html).

Respectfully,

Bob Orlando
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Posted 2 Years, 3 Months ago #11
No, Bob- tell them how you *actually* feel <g>

That's a good article. It details the internal training of Willem and the lineage and affect of the internal arts on the practice of kuntao silat de Thouars. I would suggest that a careful reading explains exactly how Uncle thinks about 'internal' and 'external' and their relationship to one another. Kuntao silat, as well as the family pentjak silat, introduces 'internal' drills very early in the practice. Some people practice the art as an 'external only' art and some practice it as 'internal-external'. There is an attempt at the advanced levels to maintain the internal attitude throughout the exercise. Both of the brothers I've spent a good amount of time with would wait for a student to evince an interest before specializing in the internal aspect in particular. The gross choreography doesn't change, the attitude with which it's practiced changes with the addition of information. Mike's 'teacher test', as a well known example- I had never heard the requirement to 'not move the arm'- that is a rigor designed to isolate the particular physical principle that Mike is looking for- it's not particularly part of any training I had heard of prior to that. It does require that the skill be done very cleanly. An interesting aside is that, still, no one has touched hands with Willem- or with one of his 'internal' students (Richard Buehl is the lineage holder in taikek, Gartin in pokwa). All the various appraisals are being made in a vacuum. Don Miller is certainly no example of one of Willem's 'internal' students- and neither am I.
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