ripped his fckin ear off- NHB rules...

Yikes.

As far as I know there is no rule for ear pulling.

It's one of those things where it's NOT what you'd call 'A gentlemans agreement' to be nice, but rather an instinctive human trait.

One which focuses on fearing what may be an escalated retaliation by your victim and or other opponents after the act.

There are no rules against toe holds, but if you made it a habit of being a guy who could (I know, very far fetched) fast as a wink, rip an opponents baby toe off............

You'd get it coming back to you afterwards in other fights you know ?

If you're in a dominant position, or your opponent is completely inferior and not a threat..................

Lashing out and ripping a guys ear off when a shot to the head would normally do ?

People are gonna fear you sure.

But your also going down as an asshole to anyone who sees or hears about it.

Fine if you can and want to back that image up.

You can get away....and even thrive with that kind of reputation on the street.

But a pro fighter would have problems afterwards.

Either by a really pissed off after the fact opponent.

Or future opponents who wanna take out the bully and teach him a lesson.

Getting booked to fight could suffer 'or' become more lucrative .

We do have Tyson as a prime example.

Except he CHEWED and there is a rule against that.

Of course if it happened in the heat of a street fight because the ear was the only thing available, then yeah sure..........especially if it gets it over with in your favor.

My friend bit the tip of a guys nose off.

Whatever works you know.

I'll bite or crush a set of balls if thier convenient.

But I won't dive towards his crotch with my mouth open as a primary directive against an attacking assailant.

Shit happens when it happens and once it's on you gotta flow.

Anyway, it just seems like a wierd area to fixate on in the heat of a fight.

I'd be too worried about staying focused and controlling other areas to be concentrateing on just ripping a guys ear off.

Would you train to be slick at that ?

I wouldn't bother.

I mean it can't be easy, unless their standing still and not resisting.

Gotta be a million defenses and offensive retaliations if you're coherent as

That's not a bad effort. Must be fairly difficult to do. Go visit the cadavers at your local medical school and see if you can do it. The cartilage will separate easily, but skin is really tough.

Richard Cavell

: and left victim's ear hanging by a thread, so to speak. he ripped the : ear from the top down and got most of it in thumb and forefinger- my : impression was that he was just impressed by his bad self and didn't : want to actually separate the organ.

: is this legal for NHB fights? not that I care overmuch, but as far as : show stoppers, that wins every bitch-slap i've ever been , hands down.

I guess it is legal because there are no specific rules that covers it. At least nothing I heard of. The referee would definitely stop the match even if the 'victim' can and wants to continue. But I'll bet that the UFC would ban it after that.

Ok, specify a few NHB tapes where fighters actually DO rip off each other's ears then. Show me, oh 6 or 8 ears being ripped off on tape and I'll admit you are right that there are no gentlemen's agreements. LOL This is exactly the type of permanent maiming that is simply in short supply in NHB Sporting competitions. Oh, wait, I can read your mind from here.... NHB fighters are simply TOO GOOD to rip each others ears off! LOL OR, NHB fighters tap out before the ear is ACTUALLY Ripped off... LOL God, you diehard NHB video fight fanatics are so gullible, its getting pathetic. Guys, they DO HOLD BACK. LOL

Ketho

'To search for the old is to understand the new.'

While I have not had much experience actually killing and maiming human beings... I really doubt how easy it would be to either rip someones ear off or gouge out someones eye. An ear is all skin and cartlidge. That is not easy material to rip. I have taken part in slaughtering pigs, and typivally the pig gets haulled out of the stall by the ears and tail. the eays are not any thicker than a human ear, and they are longer which affords a better grip. A 600 pound pig can struggle so it takes 5 big guys to hold it down, but I have never seen an ear come off, or even tear. So I have my doubts about the assumption of ears being removed (or that they necessarilly should be removed) in these fights.

I am sure it would hurt if an ear is pulled pulled. But the owner of the ear, also being a trained fighter, is not just going to be sitting still, either allowing that grip, or sitting passively while it is taken and used.

As far as eye gouges go. I have seen a street fight bewteen two guy. One was a thief trying to get away, the other was a cafe owner holding him down in a Judo style kesa gatame hold down. the thief undernieth was trying to dislodge the guy on top by gouging his eyes. The man on top blocked by closing his eye hard and shaking his head to ward off the gouge attempts.

The blink reaction is natural and fast and seems to be pretty good basic protection. I would think that damage tot he cornea from a puncture or cut with a finger nail would be more likely than an actual gouging out of the eye anyway. But trained fighters tend to protect their heads and faces as a matter of course.

My opinion on this is that it would tend to support Frank Benn's thesis on superior position carrying the day. I tend to agree that strong basics are the basis for a good fighter, and they are what make the 'tricks' or finessed techniques possible. The trick is not an effective answer to superior movement or position.

jon

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that ain't hard- the digit is vestigial anyway, and lots of people lose toes in doors, bike accidents, etc. some buff monster from NHB certainly has the grip strentgh to do that, I think it'd be most important to get the opposition force and reflex reaction...

this all makes a fair bit of sense, and I know *all* about the gentleman's agreements,

but if you face off against a guy who has no moral compuction(sic) whatsoever about your welfare, who has nowhere else to be afterward, won't that kick it up a notch? in essence, this is the same debate Chas and FB, our erudite stars of ASCII asskickology, keep having. real as it is, contested fights aren't real life, granted willingly that somebody who works out all the time against similar mean beefheads has a much better chance in a brawl. the mental prep, the effort and time that go into a match, just don't apply outdoors- that's when its really time to get down, because its your life, you know?

Ahhh. no heat involved; see, it was one guy talking trash and this wiry old dude gave no sign, no 'pre-assualt cue', nothing whatsoever. with a grin on his lips, he nabbed the guys ear, bounced him off the table and gave the ear a yank just for SAG. like eating toast in the morning, just that relaxed.

another war story- party, some more trouble talking, and my freind put down his beer, leaned forward and bit the guy's lower lip off. spat it out and walked out the door. LOL.

seems to me to be a matter of timing, spontenaity(sic) and feindish inspiration- hard to defend against that.

Carl

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Caterbro sums it up nicely:

That about sums up a reasonable view on NHB 'contested fights'. Think the remaining few video fight fanatics will be satisfied with that though? Of course not.

Ketho

'To search for the old is to understand the new.'

It teach victim not to let other ear to be ripped off - this is a valuable lesson in self preservation