Kixa self defence

Has anyone had any experience with Kixa self defence in the uk? I am about to start training but now I have been told they are a front for money grabbing. Does anyone know of this? can someone please help.

This is their web site. www.kixa-international.com & this is where soomeone has said it is all a big con.

Please someone tell me which is true.

Thank you

is this for real?

looks like craptacular tkd or similar varient, dressed up to make cash money from the stupid.

andrew

In my organisation we go even further. We teach not only Central Power, but also Central Heating and Central Airconditioning.

No, but seriously, looks like a scam to me. I'd go with something more mainstream, something that emphasizes athleticism rather than Central Power(TM). You got good judo in UK.

Good luck

The 'history' of KIXA starts as follows:

'In 1907, Tagashi was traveling in the North of Tibet, there he found an ancient leather bound manuscript written in symbolic form. For forty years he studied the book and made an intensive search for its origin, comparing it with other ancient books kept by the people of Tibet, Nepal and Himalayas. He named the book the 'Seven Secrets', having translated the symbols into seven different characters, originating from a time when wars were non existent.'

This alone should prompt some serious... questioning.

I think you guys may be right. I just found this.
http://kixa-kateda.blog-city.com/

I don't understand how anyonw can get away with this. This has apparently been going on for over 20 years!!!

Dear Mr tan. This is nothing whatever to with 'way' or enlightenment. So let me enlighten you. This is bout systematic fraud of student over period of 20 year or so. The difference between kateda is this. They were expose as fraud back in 80's in uk by mainstream press & tv. As you know this is unheard of. Since then so called GM flee country. Anyhow cut story short. two main point. Mr Lionel Nasution so call grandmaster fraud who perpetuate all this. He cannot even show proof of last grandmaster.So call tagashi. We not look for proof of 5000 year. just back 30 years & this he cannot provide. Also student who train with him at time (1970)when so call tagasi alive say they leave.Why? becuase they never see tagashi.

Second issue is financial fraud on student. Why should student be pressure to pay big money To go Bromo when 1/ Bromo not birthpalce of Kateda/kixa.

2/Amount of money ask for is extortion.

it not bad thing for person to invent martial art & help people. But very bad to lie about all aspec of it & then defraud student. If you truly Shaloin teacher then you realsie repercusion it finally have on these people.

final. Question for Mr Tan. Where your class in uk. Please post here so we can see your Shaolin. discuss further with you

Mr Grandmaster250 Do you know what is kixa or kateda's pricing details and the breakdowns? I am really interested to know. thanks

Funny how the only posts either of you two ever seem to have made is on this thread. And you're in such complete agreement with each other.

Just a coincidence, is all.

Mr Rob, May I take the point here. While reading this thread I decided to take up the offer by BITA. Posted earlier in the thread to go & punch one of the Instructors. To cut a long story short I walked into a class & had to walk straight out.

What is being taught by these people wouldn't defend you against any half baked attack. While an attack by a martial artist would result in serious injury. I saw someone taking a punch from students using so called central power. What they basically do is breath in pull the stomach in then push it downwards. physically locking together the muscles. This is the 'central power'. With all due respect this is a fraud on the student & anyone else. If I were to punch an instructor,using this method, using my own Qi I dont want to even think of the consequences. If you don't beleive me I suggest you look for yourself. Go to the kixa website. WWW-KIXA-INTERNATIONAL.COM find a class from there & go & have a look. Ask if you can punch the instructor.I will be very surprised if they agree.

With all due respect rob this is one aspect of the fraud. The other is financial. to charge someone £1500 to go to indonesia. & take £900 inexpenses is mind boggling. Especially when the accomadation is 30pence a night. & no & I mean no other overheads. How do I know this. I walked into a class & asked where they stayed & how they got there etc. Dont take my word for it.Go & find out for yourself. By the way they only take cash payment or cheques with the payee left blank.....

Hi Markphilous I have trained in various martial art styles for many years and am a black belt. I have now started training in kixa to compliment what I already know from my previous martial arts training. I can assure you that I have punched Instructors of the class and have never seen them flinch. Sometimes they even tell me to punch harder. So I say to you, if you felt that you are capable of knocking them down or causing them serious injury, why did you not join the class and try your punch IF ONLY TO PROVE YOURSELF? Or may I suggest you are not really sure of your Qi technique or perhaps you really did not attend any of kixa classes. In reading your replies, this suggests that you and grandmaster250 are one of the same people! Who seems hell-bent on discrediting kixa. I wonder who you will be after next? Why don't you or anyone else of the same opinion visit their Saturday class which you can find on the website: www.kixa-international.com Their Central Power speaks for itself...

Hi, If you have trained in any respectable Martial Art then you would not be doing this Kateda/kixa thing. I spoke to one one the instructors, he told me it was possible to get to black belt stage in two weeks just by training in bromo,Indonesia 'Intensively' Before you call me a liar or laugh I have proof of this. Outside the class there were leaflets & papers about kixa/kateda. One was a newsletter. In this it stated.Two girls went from white to black belt in the space of two weeks. With No & I repeat no previous experience. I have this & have kept it. I dont need to prove anything. Anybody who needs to prove themself hasn't achieved anything. In myself I know what I am cabable of. & I can can honestly say.If you punched a Kixa/Kateda Instructor with true inner power or Qi I'm sorry to say they would know about it. Depending on the amount of energy delivered they would get hurt. Anyway I dont care. The whole thing is a sham. As for discrediting Kixa. I have no interest in it. It is too bad to even comment on.My concern is this. It is such that it may drag other genuine martial arts with it when it goes down. instructors & masters from other forms will see all their effort wasted through this nonsense. I dont need to discredit it. Just walking into the class with a small amount of knowledge about martial arts will have you running for the door. Kixa are doing a good job themself. I'm not going to post anything more about this nonsense. We will see what happens. I will say this though & I'm sure others here will agree. I have not spent the last decade & a bit training physically & spiritually to see once again martial arts dragged into the gutter by what is essentially a rogue outfit.

I used to do Kateda and was around in the change to Kixa. I have also been to Bromo and even met LHN. I loved the style genuinely and have taken blows from student and other people. If you had come into my class in would not have backed down. why would I. The reason I left was that I had not time for myself and was spending more than I was earning, on something that used to think was fun. I feel a bit naive because now when I look up the style i loved, it seems that I was ripped off. I too paid £1500 to go Bromo and the flight could only of been around 600, etc etc. I went From Blue belt to instructor whilst out there for 2 weeks. Don't be fooled they where the hardest 2weeks of my life. but now it does not seem right. maybe I wanted to believe in it so much I looked passed the flashing warning signs all around me. I do think its a genuine art but I completely disagree with the way its run.

Dear All,

I would not even dream of trying to justify what the KATEDA/KIXA organisation did years back. However, I have trained with one of the Principal Masters who had left the UK years before KATEDA was "exposed" and I would just like to very briefly explain my own experience should you be interested. From a behavioural point of view I have been taught respect, humility and to see the good in everyone. From a physical point of view I have broken bricks flat on a surface (ground) without striking (only delivering energy/chi/ki/Qi whatever you want to name it). I have received punches to my solarplexus. I have been hit with a brick in the solarplexus only to see the brick brake and felt no pain. I have punched 4mm thick iron plate on the ground repeatedly (again the main point is without pain or injury otherwise I wouldnt have done it again). The idea behind all this is not to show off but to be sure about ones ability to protect oneslef. It is not meant to be a martial art in the same sense as Kung-fu or Karate. It is a complex self defense system. For example even if one receives a punch or kick to the stomach area if he is able to withstand being hit by bricks with no pain then he would not sustain any damage. Or if he can punch an iron plate or brake bricks with the smallest of effort then he doesnt need to learn a million different variations of a kick, just one good punch (with the breathing) would be more than enough. I have learned all that without paying extortionate fees, actually I paid less than what I would have for kickboxing or karate etc.
I would like to say I fully understand why KATEDA/KIXA has deservedly such a bad name in the UK. It's just a shame that they have misrepresented themselves so badly.
Regards and best of luck to all of you

Thank you for putting in these words of balance, SS

Well Ill be honest. I havent had experience with kixa but i have trained in kateda in high school at copland community school in london. They had named it Kudakwashe. All this aside i have witnessed the use of central power, hitting an iron plate, AND i have personally taken shots at the instructor and have seen them take it. I also reached green belt where i also was hit in the solar plexus (diaphragm area) with a brick whilst using central power and found it effective in withstanding pain.

Ok so you may still be sceptical, yet there is more to kateda, from what i learned there, than just kixa's perception of central power. You become stronger in mind through concentration, keeping form and withstanding pain...

To be honest there is alot to gain from kateda... Heck sure the story may sound a bit off, but that doesnt mean it doesnt work or doesnt benefit you. Its the same with all martial arts. its about finding the right teacher. I guarantee that most of the people posting negatively here have not tried or attended a kateda class taught properly without extortionate prices or silly trips to indonesia...

Only learn from the best and be careful.

The school i attended had kateda as an extra curricular self defence class taught by one of the teachers called Andy Bryan. Copland community school in wembley north-west london. Check it out it may be different to what you perceived...

Lol is that style still running its rubbish. I trained in it years ago before it changed it name. In fact I believe the news of the world exposed it. And if I remember correct some very nice senior belts died in Indonesia doing some dangerous water technique. Regardless of what anyone says it really isn't true self defense it give you a false sense of security. I I remember there were only 20 moves in the whole art( im using that loosely). I actually attended a camp in the over a weekend . It cost a fortune and there was only cold white rice, water and tea. We were told it was to make us think of those who had to go without elsewhere in the world. Thankfully I got wise and found a real art to study. But some of my friends stayed and opened there own classes. One was attacked one day outside of his car and decided he could block the man swinging an iron bar with one of the 20 moves. Big mistake he would have been better off running.

Please be warned this isn't real its a con. It may make you fitter and teach you to lock your stomach muscles but that's all!!!!!

They may be for money grabbing - I don't know. What I do know is that I signed up for it in finchley road load. I could not hang with them and I was in great athletic shape. There is one type of training they do I found interesting. They train you to develope some type of iron body conditioning. I saw women who trained only 6 months stand in one spot and take 5 grown adult men punches to the body and even bricks. I did not train long enought (1month) to reach that stage but my legs was getting pretty awesome! Go to one of their demos. If you sign up for the class be prepared to train till you vomat. If they offer you a trail - take the trail please. This is not a sport and the conditioning is hard - very hard.