How well would Master Oyama perform in UFC?

From what I heard Master Oyama never loss a single fight against American wrestlers, boxers and he run out of challeger, because he rarely let his opponent last more than 3 minutes most of them finished by his first move, so he has to fight with animals, forty something bulls.

I am really curious about how well can he perform in today's UFC. Can he finish his fight as he did in the past?

Would he be the only striker who can has some real threat to grapplers (like the wrestlers he has fought in US)?

I don't understand why the grapplers in his day didn' t manage to finish him off as the grapplers would do in today's UFC. Is it really because he is so much better than any striker ever exist?

How do you think a boxer or kickboxer can defend his strike? The only way is the evade, never let him hit you and never attempt to block. Do you think Tyson can beat him? Do you think Tyson can take his punch? I can't image how could Tyson be able to take his punch with a conventional block.

Unless Oyama totally ditched his dogmatic adherence to traditional karate, I feel pretty certain that any number of the UFC guys would knock him out in less than 10 seconds...Mark Kerr, Frank or Ken Shamrock, Marco Ruas, Tito Ortiz, Randy Couture, and a host of others...these guys would likely have very little trouble whipping him senseless, in a very short period of time.

You seem very hung up on this old karate dude...he comes from a time when there were very few good fighters around, and certainly training methodologies were anything but up to par in those days. Cross training was all but unheard of, and there were certainly no Lion's Dens or Straight Blast Gyms around. These guys today would make quick work of Oyama I'm afraid...Oyama could indeed hit hard...as long, I fear, as his targets were stationary. He was great at breaking and such, and if he actually killed bulls, that would take some considerable power. But I think fighting a bull would be considerably safer than fighting Tony Blauer or Mark Kerr or the like.

A bull is a big dumb animal, with no arms, and no way of presenting any frontal fire power other than a charge. Fairly predictable. I'm not saying it would be easy, but to equate that to fighting a man who is expert at fighting...sorry, there's no comparison.

And as to his punching power...most any decent boxer in the world today could match him with no trouble.

Longimanus

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i would of liked to see mas oyama fight in the ufc

Hi,

I have to disagree on a few points.

Exactly how much do you know about Oyama, Kyokushinkai and his training?

Oyama could hit hard. Very hard. And, yes, he did fight bulls which he beat to death with his bare hands. Bulls tend to not stay stationary when someone walks up to it and starts beating it to a pulp.

Yes, a bull is a big dumb animal. A VERY BIG animal. No arms, however it does have a couple of horns which (I hear) can cause a significan amount of damage. Frankly, I don't think I'd be able to beat a bull to death even with a baseball bat, but then, I don't train 8 hours a day every day.

Somehow, I don't think it's the same. Sure, the heavyweight boxers probably have more power behind their punches. However, hitting bone (like a bull's skull) full power with bare hands would probably shatter every bone in their hand. AFAIK, Oyama never had that occur. He did beat bulls to death. And (if I recall the article from a past MA magazine, probably Black Belt) he also killed a knife wielding attacker with one punch (a fact he was not proud of; he felt extremely guilty for not pulling his punch more).

Sorry if I seem terse, but I've quickly tired of people claiming that modern _competitors_ are superior _fighters_ to individuals who actually fought life or death battles. Before making negative comments about someone's skill, I highly recommend researching the individual to ensure that the comments are correct.

Mas Oyama has nothing to prove. All you yokels clamouring for him to fight have no clue. People like Mas Oyama only need to hit you once

Bah don't even bother. He obviously doesen't know anything about Mas Oyama or any other top noch 'traditional' martial artist or he wouldn't say that most UFC guys could knock him out in less than 10 seconds (let alone any length of time).

I guess you've never seen a bull gore a man. Even domesticated cows can easily leap a 4 or 5 foot fence (translation-knock you down no matter what or stop on your head at will). So if a bull wants you, and you can't run FAST, consider yourself dead.

Then don't block it,redirect it. Or get out of the way. Or hit him before he hits you.

Notice how the guys on here who are heavy into UFC and the such and how it is 'the only true test of modern combat' yakkity yak yak have screennames like superheros and drop bits of Sci/Fi ,comicy-book references in some of their replys(not that there is anything wrong with that)? They need superheros,and to them, guys like Rickson Gracie have replaced Superman. So when you read them,imagine kids arguing over whether Captain Marvel,Superman and Wonderwoman could beat the Phantom Zone criminals in a 3 on 3 with no kryptonite for Supes to spring on the PZ 3.

If there is any truth in the tales about Oyama's training regimen, he would make most any 'modern' training camp look like **** in comparison. He fought anybody that stood up. His style, Kyokushinkai, is *still* one of the roughest and best conditioned systems around. I repeat; he fought anyone who stood up- very often he fought them by *their* rules; and he still won. He was an accomplished grappler as well as a percussion fighter- a phenom. He would pound any of the contemporary UCF guys into hard ground in their own venue- in an actual fight, he would do it faster and messier. take it to the bank.

Sorry if I offend, but I stand behind my previous statements, and add the following...not only was he 'not all that', he was a piece of dog **** for beating a poor dumb bull to death for no other reason that he 'couldn't find any worthy human adversaries.' Plus, I have never SEEN any proof that he ever did, in fact, beat a bull to death with his bare hands, and I will reserve actual belief of these claims until such time as real evidence is shown me.

Why not? Punching power is punching power...and it would likely be even more deadly when packed by a boxer, because a boxer actually has footwork and power in mobility, which is useful power.

Sure, the heavyweight boxers

This I might concede, considering Tyson's encounter in the bar fight. But it is entirely conditional, and predicated only on any given fighter's hand strength.

AFAIK, Oyama never had that occur.

And as far as I KNOW, he never killed any bulls with his bare hands.

He did

At least that's his version of the story. Again, was this knife-wielding attacker a fighter? More likely he was some **** stupid punk with a switch blade and a bad attitude. Not exactly a fearsome monster of superior fighting skill and hard training...and **** sure not a Tony Blauer, Pendekar Paul DeThouars or Bas Ruten.

(a fact he was not proud of; he felt extremely guilty for

Yeah, but Black Belt also features articles which tout traditional karate as self defense. Sorry, I can't lend any real credibility to some **** martial arts rag, which is pretty much what all martial arts magazines are.

Again, there are likely just as many, if not more, and worse, life and death battles fought by folks in today's world that thirty or forty years ago. And just because some karate master fought in a life and death situation, doesn't mean that he fought as well as someone who is better trained. Mas Oyama wouldn't do any better against Mark Kerr,at al, in a life or death fight than he would in the UFC. Today's fighters ARE better trained and ARE infinately more skilled and talented, and as a result ARE superior.

Before making negative comments about

All you have to do is watch old training video of the guy and read his books, of which I have several, and you can get all you need to know to make a simple judgement call about his fighting skill.

Longimanus

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It seems you know nothing of Master Oyama! He was cross training before anyone knew what cross training was. He was a 4 degree in Judo highly ranked in several styles of Karate and also trained in Daito ryu Jui jitsu as well as Yanage ryu jui jitsu. The killing of Bulls is well documented as a matter of fact there is one video company that sells them. In his prime he was Awesome even today he would kick but assuming he was in his prime.

I've taken a close look at Oyama and his style, Kyokushinkai, for some time now, and have close relatives who are dans under Tadashi Nakamura of Seido, which is Kyokushin's sister style (essentially identical, but a separate organization).

Oyama is still talked about in various traditional circles, 6 or so years now after dying of lung cancer.

He did face bulls who were scheduled for slaughter. No telling the condition of the bulls, or the conditions under which he did it. Some claim to have film footage of it. I've got a snapshot or two in some of the old 60's Kyokushinkai books in my library. Of the 50 or so bulls he faced, he is alleged to have killed two or three.

Oyama was by all indications pretty tough. He did face some amateur boxers in the U.S. in the 1950's. From what I've gathered, many of them were physically smaller than him