Brazilian Ju-Jitsu vs. Traditional Ju-jitsu

anyone who doesn't admit that BJJ is a thousand times better that traditional Ju-Jitsu is simply being stubborn. BJJ is the most effective martial art-eventually everyone will realize this.The whole concept of the guard is one that really brings the fight to a new level. Traditional Ju-Jitsu is ok, but its not very practical. No martial art comes close to BJJ. I have a friend who holds black belts in kenpo and tae kwon do. A year and a half ago he started BJJ and is now a blue belt. He is astounded at how much more effective BJJ is than the other martial arts he has mastered and he wishes he had started earlier. It is not an easy martial art, but if you are willing to do what it takes to learn, BJJ will turn you into a machine.

Or actually knows something about traditional jujutsu.

But the real question is better for what. Since traditional jujutsu barely addresses groundfighting, I would have to hope that an art that specializes in it has advantages in preparing for ground grappling matches under rules that it observes.

On the more general issue of hand-to-hand combat, I would expect that the art that specializes in standing grappling, striking, and weapons might do a bit better.

It would seem that it brings the fight to level of ones recumbent groin, not exactly a brilliant combat strategy to most of us.

Given your obviously vast experience with traditional jujutsu, perhaps you would like to elaborate. Certainly jujutsu-like arts are the norm for police training around the world. Obviously some people think it is practical.

Ah, that is tkd for you. And having mastered these arts at black belt, he must be a great martial artist.

Just what I always wanted.

No offense to you or BJJ but.....

How do you know what tradidtional schools do...and that some do not specialize in ground work?

How many traditional schools are there....and then how many are available to the public.

What you posted makes no sense.

BJJ fighters do very well in non-BJJ rules fights. Traditional jujutu fighters do poorly under any rules.

But randori is rare in jujutsu, so they prepare for choreagraphed fights.That is what they excel at.

I have dozens of NHB tournaments which allowed groin strikes, I have not seen a substantial blow struck to a groin of a fighter using guard, not once.

BJJ is per instuctor vastly more in demand than any other art by military and ploice forces.

Your almost there already Steph.

I go to many grappling tournaments and have never seen a talented Traditional jujutsu groundwork man.

Oh my god.............the Ice Maiden returneth.

Be nice Steph.

Yes as I understand it is a subset of Traditional JJ. The Bjj person will try to force the match to the ground and then will have the advantage due to much practice in this one particular aspect of fighting.

This is a question for generally everyone. Didn't BJJ evolve from traditional

So what? What difference does it make? There is so much to say beyond this that I will not even try. I will merely pose these questions.

Or is this a troll? Damn.

Are suggeting Sakuraba used tradir=tional jiu-jitsu? Sak was a wrestler, then he learned submissions ala shooto(which come from sambo and catchascan), which has stolen BJJs positiong stuff, he also studied muay thai, which was stolen for shooto, You caould call sak a crosstrained wrestler, bjjer, samboist and thai boxer to be accurate.

Not rerally, sak just proved that, he beat a bigger lifelong martial artist, because sak had the better style, which is bjj plus other good stuff, royce is almost totally BJJ, BJJ was the best single style, but crosstraining bjj with wrestling boxing, thaiboking and sambo is even a better style.

If the other guy kbew nothing of BJJ he would be in big trouble.

BJJ comes from Judo which came from traditional jujutsu

tradional jujitsu is the father of all japanese arts. from it came all japanese arts and so on. its a non-competetive art for a reason, because it is to dangerous i.e. strikes to eyes and groin and the use of weapons. i practice both arts together and i benefit from both... personally tradional will make you a more complete fighter and it is realistic and not just about form, look and sport jujitsu for that. bjj is solid for competetion and in reality would be exetremly good against individual attackers.

tradional(old) + bjj(new) = complete

I have to agree with MA-
I studied trad jj for over 35 years obtaing a 4th dan, and I still have trouble getting the better of BJJ blue belts.
Just take a look at the examples of trad jj on youtube, all very stylish but not practicable against an oppenent that fights back. Non of my trad jj training ever involed the uke resisting. We were told all this 'far to dangerous' stuff.
I'm sorry to have to say that after 35 years of study of trad jj, I find BJJ to be more realistic for the modern world.
Cheers